Day 2 Strategy

[chen]

Okay, here are the numbers for F. Battle strategy will follow.

I requested people's stats in the phalla thread to make it easier for us involved. If not, we have to assume the worst. We'll see how it goes.

(All numbers assume baddies have the best possible defense and goodies have the worst possible atack excluding triangle advantages.)

First the basics:
Fighters' (2) relevant numbers are 20 HP, 3 SPD, 5 DEF, 1 RES. Weapon: Axe (6 Mt, 80 Acc)
Soldiers' (2) relevant numbers are 18 HP, 5 SPD, 4 DEF, 2 RES Weapon: Lance (5 Mt, 85 Acc)
Mercenaries' (6) relevant numbers are 18 HP, 4 SPD, 5 DEF, 1 RES. Weapon: Sword (4 Mt, 90 Acc)

We have:
Sword users (3): 2 Myrmidons (abotkin, Kay), 1 Thief (DasUberEdward)
Lance users (3): 3 Wyvern Riders (Andrew Ryan, Garick, Maximus)
Sword/Lance users (3): 3 Cavaliers (Look Out it's Sabs!, Toxic Toys, WilDPanthA05)
Axe users (1): 1 Fighter (Fiaryn)
Neutral physical units (2): 1 Archer (jackisreal), 1 Nomad (Dunadan019)
Neutral magical units (3): 1 Mage (Chen), 2 Shamans (DevoutlyApathetic, Sepah)
Non-combatants (3): 2 Troubadours (Quoth, Rend), 1 Cleric (Ultros64)

Myrmidons: 3 STR, 5 SKL, 5 SPD Weapon: Sword (4 Mt, 90 Acc)
Thieves: 2 STR, 5 SKL, 5 SPD Weapon: Sword (4 Mt, 90 Acc)
Wyvern Riders: 4 STR, 3 SKL, 4 SPD Weapon: Lance (5 Mt, 85 Acc)
Cavaliers: 3 STR, 3 SKL, 4 SPD Weapon: Lance (5 Mt, 85 Acc), Sword (4 Mt, 90 Acc)
Fighters: 5 STR, 2 SKL, 2 SPD Weapon: Axe (6 Mt, 80 Acc)
Archers: 3 STR, 5 SKL, 4 SPD Weapon: Bow (4 Mt, 85 Acc)
Nomads: 3 STR, 4 SKL, 4 SPD Weapon: Bow (4 Mt, 85 Acc)
Mages: 3 MAG, 4 SKL, 3 SPD Weapon: Fire (4 Mt, 85 Acc)
Shamans: 4 MAG, 3 SKL, 2 SPD Weapon: Flux (5 Mt, 80 Acc)

If we go by sword > axe > lance > sword:

Myrmidons vs Fighters: 3+4+1-5=3 damage (SPD ≥ 3 y/n) y=6
Hit%: 90+5*5+15-5*3=115 (will always hit)

Thieves vs Fighters: 2+4+1-5=2 damage (SPD ≥ 3 y/n) y=4
Hit%: 90+5*5+15-5*3=115 (will always hit)

Wyvern Riders vs Mercenaries: 4+5+1-5=5 damage
Hit%: 85+5*3+15-5*4=95 (5% chance of missing)

Cavaliers vs Fighters: 3+4+1-5=3 damage (SPD ≥ 3 y/n) y=6
Hit%: 90+5*3+15-5*3=105 (will always hit)

Cavaliers vs Mercenaries: 3+5+1-5=4 damage
Hit%: 85+5*3+15-5*4= 95 (5% chance of missing)

Fighters vs Soldiers: 5+6+1-4=8 damage
Hit%: 80+5*2+15-5*5= 80 (20% chance of missing)

For neutral units:

Archers: 3+4-5=2 damage (3 if vs. soldier)
Hit% vs. Fighter: 85+5*5-5*3=95 (5% chance of missing)
Hit% vs. Soldier: 85+5*5-5*5=85 (15% chance of missing)
Hit% vs. Mercenary: 85+5*5-5*4=90 (10% chance of missing)

Nomads: 3+4-5=2 damage (3 if vs. soldier)
Hit% vs. Fighter: 85+5*4-5*3=90 (10% chance of missing)
Hit% vs. Soldier: 85+5*4-5*5=80 (20% chance of missing)
Hit% vs. Mercenary: 85+5*4-5*4=85 (15% chance of missing)

Mages: 3+4-1=6 damage (5 if vs. soldier)
Hit% vs. Fighter: 85+5*4-5*3=90 (10% chance of missing)
Hit% vs. Soldier: 85+5*4-5*5=80 (20% chance of missing)
Hit% vs. Mercenary: 85+5*4-5*4=85 (15% chance of missing)

Shamans: 4+5-1=8 damage (7 if vs. soldier)
Hit% vs. Fighter: 80+5*3-5*3=80 (20% chance of missing)
Hit% vs. Soldier: 80+5*3-5*5=70 (30% chance of missing)
Hit% vs. Mercenary: 80+5*3-5*4=75 (25% chance of missing)

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Current known stats and equipment:

Kay: Sandal Myrmidon (+STR/SPD)
HP: 14/14
STR: 4 SKL: 5 SPD: 6 DEF: 2 RES: 0
Equipment: Iron Sword, Poison Sword.

Fiaryn: Ludein Fighter(+DEF/SPD)
HP: 18/18
STR: 5 SKL: 2 SPD: 3 DEF: 5 RES: 0
Equipment: Iron Axe, Steel Axe.

JackisReal: Sandal Archer (+STR/SPD)
HP: 14/14
STR: 4 SKL: 5 SPD: 5 DEF: 3 RES: 0
Equipment: ??

Chen: Ravana Mage (+MAG/SPD)
HP: 12/12
MGC: 4 SKL: 4 SPD: 4 DEF: 2 RES: 3
Equipment: Fire, Elfire.

Fatal3RR0R: Dural Shaman (+DEF/RES)
HP: 14/14
MGC: 4 SKL: 3 SPD: 2 DEF: 3 RES: 4
Equipment: ??

WildPanthA05: Teion Cavalier (+STR/DEF)
HP: 16/16
STR: 4 SKL: 3 SPD: 4 DEF: 4 RES: 0
Equipment: ??

[Kay]

So we know that I'll do 8-10 damage to a Fighter, depending on their Def, and Jack will do 6-8 damage to a Fighter, given that he has +str/+spd.

Here's a suggestion. Have Jack and I attack a Fighter, and no-one else. If it dies, we KNOW that they have base HP/Def. (18 and 4, respectively)

As a bonus, if they do have the base stats, Jack gets the bonus XP for killing something.

Actually, we could have another light attacker attack after Jack and I, possibly the Nomad? That way we guarantee the kill, and even if Jack and I kill it ourselves, the Nomad will still be doing some damage.

[chen]

I received word that Andrew Ryan is going to attack Sepah. If Sepah doesn't have +SPD, or +HP and +DEF, he is dead ((5+5-2)*2=16). He does have a 10% chance to evade though (85+5*3-5*2), which means he has an 19% to survive.

[fiaryn]

Naturally I'll be going after enemy Soldiers.

[Kay]

Apr 27, 2009 11:21:50 GMT -5 chen said:

I received word that Andrew Ryan is going to attack Sepah. If Sepah doesn't have +SPD, or +HP and +DEF, he is dead ((5+5-2)*2=16). He does have a 10% chance to evade though (85+5*3-5*2), which means he has an 19% to survive.

Nnngh. Why the hell are people doing this, when the accepted method was NOT to stab people unless you were sure they were spies?

Also, my idea to divine if enemy NPCs were base-stat or better... no opinions?

[fiaryn]

I think just you and Jack attacking a Fighter would be sufficient. Be sure to have our lancies take down as many of those Mercenaries as they can, lest CERTAIN AXE USERS get blenderized.

[Kay]

I'll be sending most of the Lancers AND Neutral DPSers against the Mercs, if I have my way.

Okay, Jack and I will attack a Fighter. If he dies, then we know they've got base stats. If he does not, then we know they're buffed. I figured using a Nomad (who do piddly damage) to make sure he's finished off would help, but if they'd be better employed chipping away at a Lancer to protect Fiaryn's steel-repellant dick-flesh, that's good too.

[chen]

I'm pretty positive we can't hold our ground and have to retreat thusly.

Unless you're a Lance user and have like 5 Defense I suppose, since the Fighters and Soldiers will likely be dead.

[fiaryn]

You mean a sword user? Lance users are what I eat for breakfast, they're very little threat to me. Hell even swordsman are only going to do an optimum of 4 damage to me per hit, it's just that if there are THAT MANY to go after me...

[Kay]

Okay, done a little looking into things.

Jack and I can confirm whether they're buffed or not, by taking out (or leaving him on 2 HP) Fighter 3. This is a good thing, and we'll be able to plan better in future.

I've worked out an attack plan that will take out 3 Mercenaries, possibly both Fighters, and one Soldier, leaving us with 0-2 Fighters, a Soldier, and 3 Mercs. Between the three Healers, we should be good the next day, depending on what comes in for us. I suggest we fight, stand our ground, take the hits, and heal up.

I'm pretty sure the first waves, at least, will be cannon fodder, but I planned for overdamage and included the 'Me and Jack versus the Fighter' to get that important info. Should I start sending out PMs to each person to keep it anonymous?

This hinges on Andrew Ryan NOT trying to take out Sepah, though.

[chen]

I mean Lance users on our side. They could guard a healer, take pitiful damage and rack up experience. The healer can then heal him/her the next day. Pity we lack Knights.

You should post your battle plan here first, Kay.

[jackisreal]

I guess I critical hit Fiaryn yesterday, took off 6 of his HP, got 25 experience.

I am attacking Fighter 3 tonight.

And I will hold the line in FFFFFFF!

[fiaryn]

So guys, I think I'm going to err on the side of caution and withdraw to A after making my attack. There are just too many damned sword using enemies in this area, I'm running a pointless risk by staying around after attacking. Tomorrow, I'll hit whatever I can that moves into Zone A then move back to F.

Sound good?

Edit: Actually, on further inspection I should be fine where I am. I can take the heat, Mercenaries only hit for 3 damage per hit on me.

[Kay]

I think that sounds good. Pick up a Vulnerary if nothing follows?

Also, I'm not sure I should post the plan, Chen. We probably are compromised, so...

[quoth]

what should i do besides heal someone and/or run back to O